It seems that our James Bates did not marry Sarah Fitzpatrick 16th February 1835 at St Johns, Parramatta. Sarah married another James Bates, son of Thomas Bates, transported on the Hillsborugh in 1799. This James Bates died 25th December 1899 at Parramatta, aged 84, born 1815 ? s/b 1821, father Thomas Bates (HILLSBOROUGH 1799, sentenced to life at Middlesex 1798 for theft), mother Mary Catesby (Johnston), Occupation, Bushman (listed on his 1899 death certificate) married Sarah Fitzpatrick and had 9 children. Mary Catesby (Katesby) was sentenced to 7 years transportation in Lancaster, England in 1798 and arrived in Sydney on the Earl Cornwallis in 1801.

Six of us met on Monday 21st of May at the Westpac building main foyer in Kent Street:

Noelene Harris, descendant of Lydia and John Stewart, Glenice Bayliss, descendant of Maria and George Green, Jan Koperberg, descendant of Elizabeth Clayton/Brennan, nee Allman, Eleanor (nee Bates) and her husband, Eric Evans from Invercargill NZ, and myself, all descendants of Nathaniel.  We were taken down to the room where the artefacts are stored by the building manager, Steven Bodnar and spent about one and half hours there.

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The room measured about 4 metres by 10 metres, with shelving each side. All of the artefacts have been catalogued, placed in plastic bags and then into167 plastic containers. Each container was marked with glass, ceramic, metal, skeletal (animal bones), fabric, leather etc. We did not find a comb with Ann BatesGeorge Willoughby Green?? Noelene found fragments of leather shoes, her ancestor, John Stewart was a shoemaker on this site…. One container had photos of the most interesting objects, with the catalogue number on the back. From this, we could then locate the items we most wanted to look at. There were many fragments of blue and white china, lots of bottles, animal bones, some buttons and a few corroded coins!   name engraved on it, but there was a fragment of a wooden comb with A K scratched on it. We found a metal plaque with a rower in canoe on it, could it have been

It was Noelene’s birthday that day, so we celebrated it with sparkling wine and a lovely lunch onsite afterwards. 

Descendants of Ann Griffin and Thomas Bates, who married in St Philip’s Church 12th of May 1800, held a reunion at St Philip’s Church, Lang Park, then at the KENS site at 275 Kent Street, Sydney, site of the new Westpac Building on the 12th of May 2007. 

Descendants and members of the NSW Corps of Marines recreated the bridal party. About 50 descendants from NSW, Qld and New Zealand and attended and another is planned for June 2010 to celebrate Thomas' arrival on the Second Fleet ship, The Neptune, almsot 220 years ago. 

                           

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 Setting the Scene

  The bride, Ann, is 16 years old and her husband to be Thomas Bates, an emancipist (former convict from the Neptune, 1790), is 27 years old.Ann’s father, Michael Griffin, a Third Fleet soldier in the NSW Corps, is 50 years old. Reverend Richard Johnson, 1753-1827, the first minister in the colony, is officiating.Ann’s brothers Nathaniel, 12, and Thomas, 9, (both Drummers in the NSW Corps) and younger sister, Lydia, 6, are also attending the wedding.

Witnesses were Harry Parsons, a First Fleet Marine, and Phoebe Walton, a 7 year convict who arrived on the Indispensable in 1796.

207th Wedding Anniversary of Ann Griffin and Thomas Bates 

Program 

11.00am            Met at St Philip’s Church, corner of Clarence and Jamison Streets, Sydney, near Wynard Station.

11.30am           Introduction to the day, Doreen, St.Philip's Parish Secretary spoke about St Philip’s, Noelene Harris gave a short talk on Lydia and the Stewart Family, Glenice Bayliss about Maria and the Green Family, and Marie Heilbrunn about Nathaniel’s large family in NZ.

12.15pm          Photos, Leaping of the Swords Ceremony and introdcution of the bridal party at St at Lang Park on the opposite corner of the church, site of the original St Philip’s 1798 to 1856, and where the wedding would have taken place.

1.00pm            Westpac Place on the KENS site, (275 Kent Street) for lunch, this being the site of their original home and boat building business in Bates Lane.

 2.00pm            Cutting of the wedding cake, and demonstration of muskets by Marines.

2.30pm            Short talk by Noelene Harris on the development of the KENS site and walk around it to view the plaques onsite. These plaques have photos (even the steps down to the old shores of Cockle Bay) and lots of information about the previous buildings and occupants.

3.00pm            Time to chat and network!

Some stayed on for early dinner at Moreton's Hotel. Photos available soon on www.happymediumphotos.com.au

The Bride, 16 year old, Ann Griffin                          - Sonia, descendant of Maria

The Groom, 27 year old Thomas Bates                    - Neale

Father of the Bride, 50 year old Michael Griffin          - Mark Gifford

Harry Parsons, 32 year old Marine                            - NSW Marine

Phebe Walton, 7 yr convict per Indispensible 1796    - Noelene         

Nathaniel Griffin, aged 12, Drummer NSW Corps        - Patrick           

Rev.Richard Johnson                                              - Geoff

My research on my 3 X Great Grandfather, Thomas Bates has led me to confirm that there were two Thomas BATES, both soldiers often confused, in the early Colony. The first to arrive was Thomas, (probably born Harwich, England c.1772 Mitchell Library, Sydney, WO25/642 PRO1302 or Hornchurch 1770 FHL BRITISH Film 571181) on the Second Fleet ship the Neptune on 28th June, 1790, as a convict with 7 years, sentenced the Old Bailey Middlesex, 7th of May 1788, for stealing an odd pair of boots. This is confirmed in the 1822 Muster, when he is listed with six of his children (his wife Ann was listed under her maiden name of GRIFFIN), as FBS (Free By Servitude), ship of arrival, Neptune, sentence of 7years, his occupation was given as Carter, living in Sydney.

The second Thomas BATES, Drummer, enlisted Chatham, UK, 23rd of July 1789 (WO12/11028), arrived on the Third Fleet ship, Admiral Barrington, in 1791, and was then transferred to Norfolk Island 1791 on the ‘Atlantic’ and back 1793 on the ‘Kitty’ (NI Victuals Book, page 80) November 1799, Port Dalrymple 1804 – 1806, married Elizabeth Ward, 1806, two children, George 1802/1804 and Rachel 1810, departed Sydney 1810. This Thomas BATES became a Chelsea Pensioner and retired to Nottingham ENG in 1818. See National Archives WO 97/1069/9 THOMAS BATES Born CHATHAM, Kent Served in 100th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 47 1789-1818.